Subject: 6400 bus overclocked Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2001 2:44 PM From: Thierry To: Hi, a few months ago I wrote you about some info on how to overclock the bus system. Now I have done the job and it's working ok, but not perfectly, at 45MHz and my Sonnet is up to 360 MHz. My set up is : Performa 6400/200 136 MB EDO RAM Sonnet 300/1 MB, 320 MHz with the Sonnet overcloker Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm 2nd hard drive (WD 10 GB 5400 rpm) in the SCSI bay extension with an ACARD IDE to SCSI converter 3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000 graphic card OrangeMicro PC 620 Scanner Mustek 6000CFX CD burner Sanyo 8-2-20 "Frankenmac'ed" with a second power supply AT 200W (plugged in place of the monitor - it powers both drives, the SCSI CD ROM player, and 2 fans. Power cables enter by the TV tuner slot). First I considered that I should have a possibility to move back to the 40 MHz crystal in case overclocking wouldn't work. A crystal connector would do the job, and I found one on the Output Enablers site, for free, with various 2 pin crystals - 40, 45, 48 and 50 MHz. After desoldering the crystal and resoldering the connector (which required to know more details I learned from Ed Nye), I tried the crystals. I would get a start with the 45 MHz, but then freezes during use - such as video playing. The 48 MHz would just allow a start up but a rapid freeze. The 50 Mhz freezed the computer at start up. This is mostly due to the stock 603ev processor, that overheats at these higher crystal rates. I would have the same results with the Sonnet card, even with the "scri" trick for loading the Sonnet extension first. So I went back to the 40 MHz setting, and all felt with the usual snappiness. I then purchased a Titan Copper VGA Cooler ( a fan more adapted to Voodoo 4-5000 graphic cards) and have installed it with silver thermic paste on the stock processor. I then tried my different 45, 48 and 50 MHz crystals with no L2 or PCI card on the MB, and as a test I read a Quicktime video movie with the Quicktime Player (v 5) several times. With the 45 MHz, it ran ok, with the 48 MHz I got freezes after a while, and I could not even boot with the 50 MHz crystal. So now I have installed everything back, my Sonnet 300/1 MB, Voodoo 3 and PC 620 card, and since two weeks I can work with this set up all day, with my Sonnet doubly overclocked (bus + extension) at 360 MHz. Gauge Pro gives 35 MB/s, against 31 MB/s at 40 MHz. Macbench 5.0 gives : CPU 1180 - fpu : 1191 - Disk : 1485 - Publishing Disk 1147. I am a bit disappointed about my 7200 rpm Maxtor result, because I could get the disk score at 1300 with the 5400 rpm WD drive and was expecting more improvement. Do you have a 7200 rpm drive and a Macbench score ? The temperature is not different than usual, around 51¡C with some short time peaks at 55 and 60¡C, but after passing to 51¡C (or about) the only drawback I found is that I can't reboot the computer straightforward, and have to shut it down for 4-5 minutes. This comes from the fact that the stock processor is not idle when you run an L2 accelerator card, and it can overheat, that is multiplier-dependent, inducing a freeze, that bus overclocking emphasizes. It can be overcome either with a cooling system or by lowering the multiplier setting (see Ed Nye's site about this solution) I did not try to set up the MB with a 48 MHz yet, but I want to try it, and to overcome the expected processor overheat I want to go for a Peltier, after cooling down my video card chip (I've found that when I add it, the G3 processor's temperature rises). Peltier devices have the important drawback that they generate condensation, and some reports were even telling that after a few months the board got oxidized. I think of some humidity absorber to remedy this. Of course, this is not as clean as changing the multiplier setting, but that would be the next step if things don't go smooth. As I am not ready to go for a newer machine (I use it mainly for text editing and the web and I don't see the interest of going for a 2-4 x faster one), I will follow these steps and see how I could push my Sonnet card ahead. The only thing that I miss is the possibility of playing videos with no stuttering, but there still are many things I haven't tried yet to make it work. All this was made possible thanks to the 6400Zone, so, Tom, long life to your site! Thierry